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I spent 10 years working in the restaurant industry as a cook, and I was told more times than I can count that I needed to get a certification or degree if I ever wanted to get a "real" job. Then the pandemic happened and, in the time of the initial lockdown, I was told that I physically and mentally no longer work as a cook as it was destroying my joints and was my mental health. So I looked up what I could do, saw that my local community college offered the medical coding certification program, and jumped at the opportunity. I only signed up for it because it stated in the course description that it was a sponsored class and would assist in job placement. Come to find out, that was either a lie from the start or the AAPC revoked sponsorship, but I finished the class anyway. I was told about how much of an in-demand job this was, how I would have no problem finding a work from home job.
I got my certification in August, 2023. I fully expected to be working by now. At first, I sent out as many resumes as I could, applying to whatever was available. That got me a couple interviews, but I was met with more rejection and non-responses than I was with interview offers. I had to cut back on how many resumes I had sent out because the constant rejection was taking a toll on me. Then I saw the AAPC offered a free webinar on how to get a job. That webinar was useless. Flat out, nothing they were saying was new, nothing they were saying was telling me anything I hadn't already googled for myself. And during said webinar, they dropped the bomb on a room full of CPC-A's that we might wanna get a job just in the general medical office setting if we can't get a coding job right away. How am I supposed to take that after spending thousands of dollars and countless hours pushing myself to get this certification? I tried to not let it bother me. I got a couple more interviews after the webinar, and they all ended up the same; I have to call in just to be told that I'm not getting the job.
It has been almost a year since I first signed up with the AAPC. I will not renew. If I happen to ever get a medical office job, I'll let the company pay for any certifications they want me to have. As it stands now, every single coding job I've applied for and interviewed for still have the same posting listed. All current posted coding jobs require an intermediate level of experience for an entry level job. The problem that is happening right now is that, for *some* reason, hiring entities are unwilling to hire qualified employees for their appropriate experience level. This is causing people in need of experience to be unable to get said needed experience. It kills me that I let myself fall into this trap. It all feels like a backhanded way to take peoples money to line their own pockets: the promise of a job, just pay for the class, the test, and the various webinars, seminars, and extra classes. They won't actually help you, they'll just let you believe.
It's time to call out this behavior for what it is: discriminatory. These companies are discriminating against people who weren't fortunate enough to "know someone on the inside", they're discriminating against people who didn't have the privilege of having relevant education and experience before trying for a coding job. The idea that anyone on the AAPC jobs board is an actual equal opportunity employer is laughable.

Five years of experience in any field is an intermediate level, folks, NOT entry level. Entry level is for those who have no experience, with the purpose of getting experience. Stop taking their lies
 
Yeah, AAPC and medical coding has felt like quite the sham, but I have family that does it. Another reason I can't really find a position at some locations (nepotism rules). It has been very disheartening to say the least. I am taking extra courses to broaden my medical experience on Coursera and applying for medical offices and such for positions that seem like I could contribute. I almost had one, but Indeed sent me something that wasn't remote. I was going to have an interview and all.

Good luck to you. I understand the struggle.
 
I feel this in my soul. I have had a diploma from Minnesota West Community and Technical College in Medical Coding since December 2022. I got certified March 2023. I got a 3.94 GPA and have knowledge in all the areas they want you to have knowledge in. But I don't have experience. So no one will hire me. It's a joke. I must have applied to at least 300 jobs by this point, probably more. I've had a couple phone interviews, and two virtual interviews. Needless to say, I didn't get those. I came the closest I've been to getting a job last week, with a phone interview, virtual interview that went really well, and a coding assessment. But I didn't get that one either. I really got discouraged when I applied for an entry level job that was hiring candidates with no experience needed, just based on resumes. The recruiter even contcted me and made it sound like I had a good chance. They were hiring multiple people, and I didn't get in. I thought with my qualifications minus experience, and they still didn't pick me, where am I supposed to go from here? I just know there were people who had experience that they picked anyway even though it supposedly wasn't required. She said when they were hiring again those of us who didn't get chosen would be at the top of the list. That was a year ago.

And when I was in school, NEVER did they mention CPC-A was a thing. They didn't mention they would slap that A on there and the majority of employers wouldn't look twice at you. They made it seem like you would get your CPC and you'd be good to go, and you'd be in high demand. And I swear they said something about job placement and that's why I picked them. But I emailed my advisor and she told me to look on Indeed. That's it. Which obviously I had done, dozens of times. It's absolutely infuriating, and I am at the end of my rope. And I tried to find other work from home jobs in the meantime, but there's nothing there, either.

All this to say I feel you, and 100% agree and commiserate with you.
 
Hello all!
These are the type of things I'm looking over as I'm about to take my CPC certification exam on Mon, 05/06/2024. I literally started the course back in Feb 2024 and today I passed the final exam on the first try. I will say this...I've been applying for jobs even before I finished as Revenue Specialist and I even found one position that is coder that will make previsions even if you aren't credentialed yet. So, I plan to apply for that as soon as I get this certificate of completion downloaded. I'm hoping I won't be going on endless interviews and not getting an offer. I took a chance and quit my job to finish this in roughly 2 months instead of the 5 months that they give you. I used to work for a health insurance carrier but the pay is really a joke considering the workload I had and the stress level that came with it. So, this was a bold move for me to leave with whatever pension I had and 401k to focus on studying and passing this. I'm hoping to come back to this thread with a positive update and hope someone can probably take the same steps. Look for work that mentions coding as a preferred skill instead of a requirement. My A.S. degree is in business. I feel like there should be some kind of realistic expectation for the job market. I see so many jobs open but doesn't have a lot of attractive salaries. At least not for ppl that have 5 or more years of experience.

Hopefully, you'll find something and I'm keeping fingers crossed for all of us that have sacrificed both money and time.:)
 
Hello! I understand it is hard to find a coder job with an apprentice status, however, it is actually very helpful to be able to work in a medical setting, even if it is not as a coder. Is a very different environment and there are many other aspects someone coming from retail, hospitality, food and beverage, etc, needs to learn. In my personal experience, I made the transition from banking. I started as front desk at an urgent care, part time, just to get my foot on the door. That experience helped me get my current job, as a biller, at an outpatient surgery center. While I am at this job, I am constantly learning about coding and using what I have learned to solve problems with unpaid claims. I believe the advice to start in the general medical office setting has a lot of merit. My goal is to work from home as a coder, but in the meantime, I am learning as much as I can from the opportunities I currently have. I also understand everyone's journey is different and I wish you all the best!
 
This was a duplicate (actually triplicate post). I replied on this one: https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/i-will-no-longer-hold-my-breath.197959/
I am sorry this was your experience. It is not everyone's, but it is definitely an issue, with a variety of causes. Some of it is programs hyping themselves for more than they are. Some of it is managers unwilling to train people. Some of it is recently certified coders with unrealistic expectations (often misinformed by training programs). Some is employers not recognizing the important skills certified coders bring.
IMHO, the rise of work from home has been a plus and a minus for this field. I can tell you that personally, I would not have gained the knowledge I did in the time span I did if I was always a remote worker. Onsite interactions with fellow billers, coders, and clinicians all helped my knowledge. Again, just my opinion, but particularly newer billers and coders benefit from regular interactions with both their direct departments and related departments. However, if all your experienced coders work remote, even if your newbies come onsite, that does not make for an ideal learning opportunity. It is not impossible, but certainly more difficult. Remote work has also made it more difficult for those without experience. If I post an entry level position with a NY starting salary, and someone from Wisconsin with 5 years experience is willing to take that position because a NY starting salary is higher than an intermediate position in Wisconsin, why would I not hire the person I need to train less? Instead of competing only with your local candidates, you are now competing with an entire country of candidates. An entry level remote position could literally be receiving HUNDREDS of applicants in just a few days. There may have been many good fit candidates, and the person who did eventually get hired was simply lucky among those candidates.
I am a strong proponent if this is a change of field for someone, to take any onsite position in the healthcare industry. Jobs like reception, appointment scheduler, surgical coordinator, authorizations, registrar, billing, etc. all provide you with real world knowledge and very relatable experience. Since you previously worked as a cook, let me try to provide an analogy. Let's say someone trained at a top tier culinary program and graduates with their degree at the top of their class. However, they never once stepped foot in a working restaurant kitchen. Perhaps they can come up with a great menu, season food perfectly, and get perfect temperatures on their steak. But if they don't know how to interact with their sous chef, or time cooking for a table of 10, or understand what the owner wants, hiring them as your head chef is going to set up everyone for failure.
I have a very small team of coders who code for subspecialty. I've never interviewed expecting someone to know how to code for complex gynecologic oncology surgeries. I do expect someone with a baseline knowledge of coding principles (especially E&M), and to know how to apply those. Even when I hire for entry level, the candidates who worked in another aspect of healthcare stand out to me. I look for fellow coding nerds who seem willing to learn. Attitude is a big reason in my hiring decisions, as everyone has already passed the same certification exam.
Networking can also be helpful. Your local AAPC chapter (and adjacent ones) can be a good resource. Interacting positively with others on this AAPC forum could even be helpful. I realize that months of rejection can get anyone down. However, if that comes across during the interview process, the person who just interviewed 50 qualified candidates is not going to be excited to hire you.
If you decide you are going to continue toward your career goal of coding, here are some other threads where I and/or other "regulars" give advice about what we personally look for or recommend:
https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/practicode.194401/?view=date#post-532727
https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/coding-tests-for-job-candidates.193363/?view=date#post-529924
https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/struggling-to-get-a-medical-coding-position-for-the-last-9-months.191494/?view=date#post-524785
https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/desperate-for-an-entry-level-coding-position.189804/?view=date#post-519817
https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/cpc-a.181444/?view=date#post-496791
If coding and/or healthcare administration is really what interests you, I encourage you to continue on that path. Good luck either decision!
 
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